Toastmasters brings back vintage CC path

Toastmasters International recently announced the return of the vintage Competent Communicator (CC) path. Some longtime members see it as a positive gesture, but many feel the underlying issue remains unresolved: legacy titles such as Advanced Communicator Silver (ACS) were discontinued with the launch of Pathways, leaving members who completed dozens of speeches without equivalent recognition.

One member shared that they delivered 30 speeches to earn ACS, only to be told they would have to start over under the new system. In their view, accommodations were made for Distinguished Toastmasters (DTMs) but not for other long-time members. After 18 years in the organization, they are now considering whether to renew their membership.

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Toastmasters International lost me years ago due to Pathways and the resulting fallout. They’re incompetent. This change is way too little, way too late.

Incidentally, I mainly follow this sub because I’m morbidly curious about TMI’s pathetic attempts to make fetch happen.

That’s unexpected and welcome news. For those with long memories, it feels like a New Coke moment.

The CC was a clear, focussed introduction to public speaking, while the advanced manuals were a superb resource for developing further skills. It always felt like Pathways threw away all the best parts of the previous programme (the CC, advanced manuals and speech-specific evaluations), while keeping the very worst (particularly the over-complicated structure from the CL).

I left TM a few years ago, mostly because of Pathways. If the CC is being restored, not to mention two of the advanced manuals, then I could easily return. Mrs Giraffe, herself an ex-TM, concurs.

If I’m reading things right, an individual club could now invite all its new members to use the CC manual for their first path. That would take it most of the way back to the previous programme. Meanwhile, I hope TM will update and restore the other advanced manuals, and address the OP’s question by recognizing those who had previously earned the CC or AC.

As someone who was a VPE for a number of years during the CC & Pathways eras, I’m going to hold out some hope that this is a tentative step in the right direction.

IMO the reason the CC worked for members was because of its simplicity – 10 speeches where each has an aim that you can understand in a sentence. You do one speech, then the next one, and so on, simple. Don’t know your TMs login? Doesn’t matter. Lost your manual? Doesn’t matter – because everything’s straight-forward enough to understand and explain without them.

By contrast – with Pathways a new member has to set up a user account, choose a path, read through the aims/objectives – these might seem like small things but trust me, a large number of my club members simply never did these and as a result many slowly lost interest.

I still hold out hope that one day there will be a ‘default’ TM pathway that is just 10 speeches that can be, say, downloaded on a PDF and given to new / prospective members.


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3 responses to “Toastmasters brings back vintage CC path”

  1. Excellent work! Looking forward to future posts.

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    Too little, too late. This is like an abusive ex thinking I’ll reunite just because they got a nice new haircut.

    I was one of the many people who was left scrambling several years ago to attempt to attain my DTM after TI announced that it was not only converting to Pathways, but the Legacy credits wouldn’t convert or transfer into that new program, and the Legacy program was completely shuttering in a few years. Some members left right away with that announcement, some of us completed the Legacy DTMs just barely in time, others worked hard but didn’t quite make that cut-off.

    A couple of big things stayed with me from that experience. First, it was disrespectful for TI to put us old-timer and mid-timer members in that position. Colleges and universities have transfer credit programs, which tend to not be perfect but at least the student isn’t starting from zero. There was no reason to put loyal Toastmasters members in that all-or-nothing situation. There should have been ways to convert at least some Legacy credits into Pathways ones so that we weren’t left in that panic. If I’d had that option, converting my credits is what I would have done even if some of the old projects or speeches couldn’t carry over.

    Regardless, the experience of having to aggressively forge ahead to attempt to attain one’s Legacy DTM, or just decide it was all a loss, caused some members including myself to learn about and/or take a hard look at TI’s questionable membership-boosting practices, bullying issues, local politics, excessively time-consuming volunteer duties, and other problems. People like me otherwise might not have discovered most of these issues at all. Or, we might have noticed various problems slowly and individually over several years, but found them manageable or trivial in an overall positive organization. But when, in less than one year, you’re slammed up against a lot of confusion, inefficiency, unpaid extra duties, interpersonal drama, bullying, uncertainty, dishonesty and politics you previously didn’t know about because you’re at risk of losing everything you worked for, that’s overload. Who wants to pay for that?

    Without getting specific, when I was faced with that time-limit, I learned that a completed program/role/assignment that was supposed to count toward my DTM suddenly didn’t. And TI was being evasive and contradictory about why, as everything in writing indicated it was supposed to count. If there hadn’t been the time-limit, I wouldn’t have resented that inconsistency or opaqueness much, but being forced to quickly find something else to fulfill that requirement is a big negative memory about it all.

    Without that sudden imposed time-limit, a lot of local and financial garbage probably wouldn’t have ever been learned by me. If I’d had problems with a local leader and/or with attaining and completing the right assignment/role/project in a particular year toward my DTM, I would have just shrugged and said “Well, better luck next year.” I would have probably stayed in for several more years toward that DTM, happily taken a lot of redundant volunteer roles, and not noticed most of the politics. Or, maybe I would have gotten busy with other things in my life after a few years and decided to temporarily pause my Toastmasters membership but with the intention to return to finish my DTM. Maybe I would have eventually come back, maybe I wouldn’t have, depending on life’s path. But I wouldn’t have resented Toastmasters.

    But when there was that hard drop-dead date imposed with the Pathways rollout and end of the Legacy program, I had to ensure I had certain goals met, and I learned a lot of unpleasant truths. When you have to stay focused on that deadline of “June June June” because the Legacy program’s ending, you can’t afford to be relaxed. You’re more likely to be concerned by local shenanigans and delay tactics that probably go unnoticed by you in other years. I noticed and documented it quickly when a dishonest local leader was being obstructive with me and I called TI for help, which they wouldn’t give. If there hadn’t been that deadline, I probably wouldn’t have even thought twice about or documented that leader’s unusual actions, let alone called Colorado and learned how useless they are. I learned to analyze the Dashboard because I couldn’t trust anyone else, which led to my noticing how common the fake-members and fake-clubs were in so many Districts. And so on – not being able to procrastinate on or trusting about the DTM required me to be vigilant, and it caused me to learn a lot of negatives about this organization that I’d previously held in such high esteem.

    It was after I discovered so much ugliness within that short period that I decided to get away from Toastmasters altogether. No halfway-in halfway-out. I wasn’t alone in that conclusion. I went from being a Toastmasters cheerleader to warning people away from visiting!

    I don’t know if you’re familiar with the “boiling frog” theory, which is unscientific but a good analogy nonetheless. The idea that if you drop a frog into water that’s already boiling, the frog will quickly jump out. But if you drop a frog into cool water and slowly heat it, the frog won’t notice the temperature increase and will be boiled to death. That’s a possible comparison I’d use here. Long-term and mid-term members like myself were slammed against Toastmasters’ many problems in a truncated period when we had to decide whether or not to finish up their DTMs, and we didn’t like what we saw. Many decided to quickly jump out of that boiling water, some before even attaining those DTMs, and some immediately after earning them. TI lost a lot of valuable members within two years of the Pathways rollout and while I assume some of that was dissatisfaction with the new curricula and/or the pandemic, much of it was what I’ve described above. I don’t think TI will ever admit that.

    I would not trust TI to not leave its members scrambling like that again. Nobody can guarantee that you won’t be within two years of earning your DTM with the current Pathways program and you need to take a break from the group for professional or personal reasons, but then TI announces a similar curricula change and deadline? So then you’re left either having to push ahead or lose it all.

    The online debates over the past several years about whether Pathways is a technically “user-friendly” program, or if Competent Communicator was a good entry-level course? Those don’t matter much to me in the face of the above issues. The return of the CC is like the captain of the Titanic announcing he’s just installed pretty new deck chairs – I’m still not boarding that sinking ship! Even if Toastmasters reinstated the entire Legacy program, I wouldn’t consider rejoining this dishonest, cruel, manipulative, time-consuming, financially imprudent group.

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