Toastmasters : the real truth – cult, toxic behind the scenes

My Background in toastmasters: I had been a toastmaster for over 16 years, joined when I was a university student and devoted nearly 1/5 of my life on doing pro bono work for this cult. Been a competitor – won district contests and online contests (Gave up for 6 years as I apply for district leadership roles) Been district officers for multiple districts (division director and area director) Co-created the pathways matrix on the new education program Training 110 districts on virtual and hybrid contests during the pandemic (day and night- burnout and ended up in hospital Also trained and coach tons of amazing speakers and two winning the world championship in this contest (there are other world championships tougher than TI)

How this fairytale of toastmasters international turns becoming false empowerment, lies, coverups and slavery.

Let’s be real on one thing: most members are nice and friendly. This only applies to those without agendas, which brings to the first problem in this cult- no membership restrictions despite there are rules on that, like freeloaders, manipulators , salesman and racist individuals joining this cult, and imagine they become high ranking roles, what does happen? Toxic culture starts to spread and solidify. I met some lovely people that I still kept as friends till this very day but most , nah. Some are nice to you to get you as a member to be in their club, then? Burnouts and say: would you want to be a committee member? Then serving the community with a big mission on training leadership. Hey?! We join tm clubs for different reasons, doesn’t mean it’s free labour!?!? We can train leadership in our own company or other voluntary organisation. Free labour, slavery (not servant leadership mind you), while other unappreciative souls criticise you this and that. Hey, this is not a people pleasing cult, this has turned into a place filled with hypocrisy.

Which brings to the second problem: where does the money go? To their pockets. How much does daniel Rex and many others earn? While On average, most clubs do not have enough money to sustain on expenses like venue renting, and freeload on free venues and create a competitive environment. Some club officers pour in money into the club, to keep it competitive, while TI just quietly takes money for their inefficient email management, pretend to ignore emails,spent our money on lawsuits on those toastmasters who sue them because of disabilities, discriminatory rights etc (not to mention Smedley fund is filled with bullocks which indirectly support their personal agendas, like war related)

Even changing to pathways (education program) is supporting minority over majority votes , as someone who have completed all paths, create the pathways matrix to help all fellow members, the new program is worse than the previous one, yet whoever initiate this , wish to revamp toastmasters community. Yet have they done well on educating members to help them understand it? A great number of members just do it, ignore a number of requirements because they don’t have “time” to real the manual, and do it to get DTMs etc. The program was not user friendly, less practical for the real world and still foolishly backing it up as a revolutionary change. No, not at all. If you have spent the money you greedily taken and pour it here, on a crap system online, perhaps this would have turned into something better.

While I slightly touch on the topic on DTMs, these DTMs, officer titles are false empowerment to trap members to serve for free WHILE paying membership fees. It’s not like rotary or JCI, lions etc, when they know they will serve roles, tm is not too open about it and secretly said all materials by toastmasters belong to TI. Sorry , you don’t own our rights when it’s our time, effort and we are not your employees! Where is the rights of your materials that you have spent months and years to make? personal goals? Like the virtual online contest rulebook during Pandemic. it’s not made by them, it’s made by our combined efforts in Asia with me spearheading them. there are many senior citizens taking credits off us to reap it off as they wish to be “loved” and “cared” like Carole Mucollch, Susan Ellesworth, George Marshall, Jimmy diente etc. Officers create their own cult within their districts, putting only their own friends or puppets into the officer role. What it appears to be fair elections turn into a game show of politics. Members who sincerely wish to serve the community got silenced and defamed behind the scene etc. I have too many district evidences to put it here. Titles are just an incentive to serve, yet toastmasters international treats us as disposable pawns, even like Margaret page!

Let’s look at even deeper issues that I know, have proof about (I will only provide it for legal trial purposes) and actually most districts hidden agendas.

Let’s look at some common things that happen within a club or tm community. Communication problems, priorities in life, work commitment (remember your life is more important, I ended up in hospital a few times because of foolishly serving my club) , members not doing speeches (which affected a club’s kpi on the DCP points) , little visitors due to club promotions, and expensive membership fees (some clubs do charge high to cover the membership fees and logistic fees to run ) every club around the globe has their own issues. TI, district don’t really care other than sending area directors to come by, make a report and helping a little bit out of their much appreciated free time while most of the district money goes to contests, conferences, and travel expenses (for show offs)

These are only just internal problems. Let’s look at more serious real problems that happen in tm.

Money laundering Sex scandals Harassment Discrimination Censorship Confidentiality clause to threaten you on your membership if you disclose Promoting your own business/ selling your products and services Defamation Freeloading your work Bullying and cyber bullying resulting in suicides White-washing an incident while harm has been done Avoiding to reply and deleting comments to create a positive atmosphere, toxic positivity Brainwashing members to serve the community when they don’t intend to (PUA)

And this is not the bottom of the list My three mentees passed away because of this. Thousands of members around the world suffered

And TI tolerated it , or put a scapegoat on it.

Talk about safety huh? No way I am recommending toastmasters to anyone in my lifetime.

End of my 3 cents.


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    I appreciate this page so much. You’ve sharpened some things floating around my mind but hadn’t clarified. Also you’ve exposed some issues I didn’t know about before.

    My Toastmasters story is too long and complex to completely tell today. I’ll share some things I’ve noticed that haven’t been pointed out here yet. As you know, Toastmasters claims that it teaches people how to be successful leaders in business, non-profits, personal relationships, and life in general. Well, TI noticeably omits some important lessons that would jeopardize its volunteers from slaving away, or from people joining in the first place.

    People need lessons in learning how to delegate, say no, spot predators and bullies, take a break, avoid unethical behaviors such as fake-members, spot a liar, and cut your losses. All of those are vital to succeeding in business and in life. But TI will never teach you those skills, because they won’t be able to take advantage of you. For example, if TI’s members learned to say no, they wouldn’t each be taking on four different club roles and three different district roles, so they’ll never teach members that.

    Without going too much into my journey, I learned some of those lessons in Toastmasters in my final stretch in TI from the liars and bullies.  I learned to not compromise my own ethics but also to keep my mouth shut just long enough to take care of me.  None of these lessons were intended on TI’s part, so the organization doesn’t deserve any credit. 

    For years, I eagerly served Toastmasters and did more than required for each step. I didn’t look at them as “steps” until the final part. I enjoyed myself and didn’t view the awards or roles as ticking off boxes. No major drama for the first several years. Obviously I was closer to some people than others but I had no enemies. No bad assignments, competitions, or roles. Looking back on those years, I was blessed to be in an unusually great club and have an unofficial mentor who steered me to some kind people and projects. At the time, I assumed the entire organization was this way.

    My job transferred me to a different district, and I was eager to make new friends in Toastmasters’ positive setting. It was also time to work for a big award for which there was a strict time limitation. I was happy to give 110% for the requirements – I assumed I wasn’t just going to tick the boxes. I looked forward to serving at both club and district levels. I have an unusual professional skill that clubs and districts often ask for, and I liked providing that even though it didn’t provide me any TI credits. The new district apparently wanted my skill and I was eager to help in that capacity. 

    When I was working toward my goal for about a month, I noticed some subtle behaviors from a few leaders that seemed unusual, but I didn’t immediately assume ill intent from anyone. It was making it incrementally slower than expected to reach that goal, but I just assumed that they weren’t doing that intentionally since it didn’t benefit them, the clubs, or the district. Then someone unintentionally tipped me off to a scam that those leaders were up to that would have completely sabotaged my goal and demoralized me if it had continued for much longer. Then those strange behaviors that I’d been noticing made complete sense. It was sheer luck that person accidentally informed me. As mentioned, it didn’t benefit the clubs or district either.

    From this ordeal, I found out that nobody at the headquarters in Colorado will help you, even when they agree that the conduct from district leaders that you’re describing is against the rules. Thanks for nothing, TI. So I learned that I needed to depend on myself, get what I needed, avoid any lengthy roles or commitments, and walk at the next deadline. 

    I quickly recalibrated and stayed on long enough to meet my goal while avoiding those traps. From then on, almost everything I did was only about meeting my goal, little else.That meant I had a crash course in learning to politely say no, avoid engaging in no-win situations, and practice the other skills I mentioned.  I wasn’t afraid to fulfill the requirements of the goal in a nontraditional, abbreviated, or unusual way if it technically met TI requirements. I even found enjoyable ways to do so. The bullies actually tried to sabotage me again but I got around that too.  Unbelievable! I learned to trust my instincts about people. I quietly steered another potential victim around the bullies’ trap so that nice person wouldn’t fall for it. 

    I also turned the figurative tables on those bullies on my way out in a way that dropped them into their own traps, which is an amusing story in itself. I’m proud of the “calling card” I left behind.  Nothing illegal, dangerous, loud or aggressive. Did the bullies improve or get knocked off their thrones? No, nothing that profound. But their scam did get exposed in the short-term, a few clubs were definitely closed right afterward from the fall-out, and there was a district meeting with members wanting some answers.  

    Something else I learned is to not be so intent on teaching a lesson to one’s bullies that you look sinister to people who did nothing wrong to you. I believe I achieved that, because I stayed friends or on good terms  with those who were kind to me. About a year later, I was offered a job by someone from an acquaintance in the second district. I declined the position but it was good to know that I’d left a good impression with that person who was a mid-level leader in the district.

    Also, I learned to spend too much time trying to hyper-analyzing the motives of terrible people. No matter how I looked at it, what my Toastmasters bullies were doing didn’t seem to benefit them, me, the district, or the organization at large. In this case while I was working on my goal, I realized I didn’t have time to analyze them. I asked myself then, what did I need to do to protect myself and those I cared about, and also make my goal by deadline? I used that skill after Toastmasters in a personal situation. 

    I don’t want to make it sound like it was all a game to me, because there was nothing funny about it. It should not have been necessary, when all I wanted to do in the beginning was work hard and honestly as I’d done for years. I wasn’t sure I’d meet that goal until just days before the deadline, and I didn’t actually believe I had the award until it was physically in my possession. When I did have it, my first feeling was of relief instead of celebratory as it should have been. That’s how tenuous, corrupt, bizarre and stressful it all was. I was disappointed that this group I respected and enjoyed turned out to be something so different.    

    It’s sad that my Toastmasters story didn’t end on a good note after years of enjoyment, but the second best result was making the bullies regret what they did to me, in the calm, non-violent, legal way that I did. I’ve learned you probably can’t drastically change horrible people, but you can embarrass them, make a few dents in their short-term scams, and maybe steer some of the good people away from them. That’s what I did.

    If you get too deep into TI, you might think that “failing” at it means that you’re stupid, unsuccessful, unlikable, and/or inarticulate. All it takes is just one bully in your local leadership, and you might “fail.” Nobody in Colorado is going to step in no matter how much the bully has obviously broken the rules. Rarely does a bully work alone, so then you’re really in a bad way when there are two or more. It’s unacceptable that Toastmasters allows this.

    I absolutely understand why someone might get so depressed or anxious that they might consider harming themselves like your friend did. I’m so sorry that happened.

    The bullies involved in my case didn’t intend to teach me the lessons that are used to this day by me, so they get no credit from me for it. Also, it only worked well for me because I had that accidental advance heads-up that most won’t ever get.  I probably would not have even seen those calculations in reverse or if that person hadn’t accidentally tipped me off. If it all had gone the way those bullies had intended, it absolutely would not have been worth it.

    I look at my final award in a very different way than I anticipated when I was working on it. Instead of a symbol of what TI says it is, I consider it as a sign that I prevailed over bullies who shouldn’t have existed in the first place. But triumphing over wrongdoers is a good thing in business and life. I used the skills again last year in a workplace situation that shouldn’t have taken place, but did. I’m satisfied with the results in that situation too. So, that’s good for me.

    Toastmasters makes you think it’s your fault if you don’t reach the highest levels, and it’s statistically likely you won’t reach those. There are many other places where you can gain the same skills without the expense, time, and drama. Even if you do “succeed” by their definition, I just don’t think it’s worth it anymore. I don’t recommend TI to anyone. Especially with the way they’ve changed it in recent years.

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